Tony Attwood
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| 19 Nov 2006 8:57 PM |
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An Update for those generally interested in Boxing and Diabetes as opposed to those who have an axe to grind.
I was contacted directly by Jasper(see this forum)to see if the ABAE could let his son box in the Golden Belt if all the criteria for Diabetic Boxers were met. These criteria had been presented to the ABAE last year by his son's own consultant and the ABAE Medical Commission were prepared to allow his son to box in that championship provided the consultant was prepared to look after the boy at the events which Jasper wanted him to box in. This meant that the ABAE had to have a letter from the consultant confirming that he would be at those events for the weigh-in and the boxing and was prepared to tell the official in charge and the MO that he was there to look after the boy. NO ME3 could be issued until we had that confirmation and the ME3 would have had a special endorsement.
Unfortunately I have heard nothing more at all.
The ABAE Medical Commission has written to all consultants who have contacted us about diabetics wanting to box to offer the same facility but we have heard nothing.
This means that in England Amateur boxing is still in the same situation as before and Diabetics can NOT box as no rules have come from the associations for doctors looking after Diabetics and we have not had any consultant diabetologists prepared to look after their diabetics when they are actually due to box.
There has also been no further information from the International authorities.
Tony Attwood, Chairman ABAE Medical Commission. |
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j.p.
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| 22 Nov 2006 9:07 PM |
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When the Olympics come to London and countries bring Diabetic Boxers with them will every boxer have to bring his consultant with him or will the team doctor suffice. It could be construed that British boxers who have diabetes would be disadvantaged if they were not allowed to box. One Scottish Football International never shirked a tackle or ducked a header became a manager and played for one of the top two Scottish teams.
If the situation is not sorted out soon it would be disappointing if top boxers were allowed to box elsewhere but not in the U.K. Would it or could it affect the Olympic principle of SPORT FOR ALL? |
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Tony Attwood
Flyweight
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| 26 Nov 2006 11:07 AM |
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There are 6 years to the Olympics. Things are moving and if it is not sorted in England within 2 years I will be amazed. Diabetes UK doctors are working with us and fortunately some are extremely sensible and motivated with a real awareness instead of just throwing accusations of discrimination. If these doctors can convince other non-believers then in future Diabetics will have the opportunity to box.
My previous posting was to show that it is not ABAE that is standing in the way. We are still trying to protect ALL boxers medically yet we also look for safe ways of ensuring that. If overseas teams come with their own doctor to look after their team then the safety is covered. This has always been the situation. |
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Amazon
Light Flyweight
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| 27 Nov 2006 9:31 PM |
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Dr Attwood are you saying, if Jasper can get his G P to attend,then his son will be alloud to box |
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Tony Attwood
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| 29 Nov 2006 12:53 AM |
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NO.
Jasper and all other parents of diabetic youngsters know perfectly well what is required and it has been spelt out above. The GP is not acceptable. It must be the consultant diabetologist looking after the boxer who has already contacted the ABAE and suggested that the diabetic is fit to box.
We are all awaiting the official ruling from the diabetic doctors associations for the full rules. |
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larks
Light Flyweight
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| 29 Nov 2006 11:44 AM |
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Mr Attwood,
As you well know the abae has been in receipt of the offical ruling, that has been put together by Diabetes UK and the British Society for Paediatric Endocrinology and Diabetes, for the last ten days. Thay are awaiting a reply from the abae.
Hopefully my son as well as others, will be able to compete in a sport that he loves and trains in three times a weeek and will meet all the criteria that has taken over two years to complete.
Hopefully there may be a light at the end of a very dark long tunnel. But we are still waiting direction from the abae..........
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Canvas Back
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| 29 Nov 2006 6:03 PM |
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There seems to be some axe grinding going on in these threads, but reading between the
bulls**t it looks like Mr. Attwoods axe is the sharpest of all!
I would say listen to the experts and not your bruised ego Mr. Attwood! |
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Canvas Back
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| 04 Dec 2006 10:02 PM |
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| Can someone tell me why DIABETICS can box as professionals but not as Amateurs.am i missing something or what !!!! |
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prattler
Light Flyweight
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| 04 Dec 2006 11:57 PM |
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Canvas Back are you still stupid or hadn't you realised that there are many rules that the Pros use that are not allowed in Amateur.
In Amateur the doctors try to protect the boxers but once they go Pro anything goes.
Look at Frank Bruno for example. Detached retina repaired twice but allowed to box and now has poor vision as a result. In amateur he would not have been allowed to have boxed once repaired.
Be thankful that our doctors do try to look after the boxers health.
Come on Dr Attwood there are question unanswered but usually you do reply, unlike the rest of the ABA bosses, so what is happening? |
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fight the cause
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| 19 Dec 2006 3:41 PM |
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| My point exactly..... what are they thinking of ? perhaps some more Education is required here on Diabetes. Don't you all agree? Comments please would be appreciated (in an adult form). |
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Wingnut
Light Flyweight
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| 20 Dec 2006 2:52 PM |
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| I don't agree i think if the medical board choose no to let diabetics box then they don't box end of |
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fight the cause
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| 20 Dec 2006 10:30 PM |
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| Typical! Should the medical board look further into their decision ? and perhaps not discriminate ! DIABETES is not an ILLNESS. |
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Wingnut
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| 21 Dec 2006 9:07 AM |
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| It might not be an illness but it is classed as a disability |
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Tony Attwood
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| 21 Dec 2006 9:58 AM |
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Fight the cause you obviously have NO idea what is meant by illness. Diabetes need not be a disability but it is an illness that prevents the sufferer doing certain things if it requires treatment (Therefore it is an illness)
With regard to boxing, the ABAE Medical Commission has been in dialogue with the specialist doctors who look after diabetics for MANY years. At present those specialists have not approved any rules that define what "degree of illness or disability" is acceptable to allow diabetics to box.
The ABAE must get approval from those specialist doctors before the rules can be changed.
I am still working on this and for those who have an axe to grind for diabetics they may be interested to know that I have a contact within Diabetes UK who is a very sensible doctor who is looking at ALL the aspects and is working with other associations to get some rules approved. He agrees that Diabetes UK is NOT the organisation able to give authoratitive approval itself.
As for those who think I have an axe to grind, just get a life. I could give up the ABAE work tomorrow without a worry other than that I fear young boxers may get injured unneccesarily if Medical regulations are not adhered to
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larks
Light Flyweight
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| 21 Dec 2006 12:38 PM |
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Mr Attwood,
Can you please advise me..........
I do not have an axe and want diabetics to box without getting hurt unnecessarily.
Which specialist doctors do you want guidelines from. I have enlisted the help of Diabetes UK and the British Society for Paediatric Endocrinology and Diabetes and now these are not {so you say) able to give the correct authoratitive approval. I do also belive that maybe you should look at the international rules and get guidence from what has been set there.
We should be pulling together to sort this situation out and not be ranting and raving about who has an axe to grind. The ABAE could have some very talented young boxers who are diabetic and would in the future be able to win medals for England but they must be given the chance to show what they can do the same as other diabetic boxers in other countries.
Lets hope that this situation can be resolved as quickly as possible. With the correct help from people who care nd want to resolve the problem I do not see why it cant be.
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fight the cause
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| 21 Dec 2006 1:37 PM |
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Mr Attwood I do in deed have a very good idea what Illness is, please do not insult my intelligence SIR ... Diabetes only becomes an illness if not treated with correct medication and correct medical Intervention and EDUCATION ( WHICH YOU SEEM TO HAVEN FALLEN BEHIND IN !) people can go on to lead a perfectly normal life. I respect that the ABAE Medical Commision are in dialouge with specialist doctors as you refer to in previous text, diabetologists !!!!! what kind of a title is this to give to the specialist ? Endocronologist I think you mean. These are Physicians whom specialise in the Endocrine glands for example The Pancreas and The Throid Gland.
Just one more question, how does Diabetes make anyone who boxes become more prone to injuries ? Do you know something I don't .
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fight the cause
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| 21 Dec 2006 1:40 PM |
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| Short answer to that is NO ..... only if they loose a Limb through NEGLECT |
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prattler
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| 21 Dec 2006 11:42 PM |
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fight the cause you are unbelievably stupid even by the standards of many of the replies on this forum.
If someone has to take medicine or treatment they have an illness. Diabetes IS an illness. You may heve relations with diabetes in which case you should know that if they dont use their medicine they get very sick.
It is also totally obvious from your ramblings that you have no idea what you are talking about generally.
A diabetologist is a doctor who specialises in diabetes and even Dr Attwood has made that clear before. Your other suggestion "Endocronologist I think you mean" does not exist. The nearest I can find is endocrinologist and if you look that up it is a specialist in the edocrine system of which diabetes is just a small part. So Dr Attwood's specialist is more an expert than yours.
Why don't you shut up until you have learnt enough about diabetes to make sensible comments and stop s*ag ging off at people who have taken exams to become doctors and have learnt things and then acknowledge that they are using specialist advice when they do not have the best answers from their own experience |
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Tony Attwood
Flyweight
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| 22 Dec 2006 12:13 AM |
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Thank-you Larks and Prattler,
It is good to see that there is some reason in this forum occasionally.
I continue to try to get insulin dependent diabetics the opportunity to box as I have tried to make clear before. Unfortunately national politics and Medical bureaucracy have caused a major problem that has taken the basic answers out of the equation. As I have stated before the ABAE is up against the BMA in all matters of medical care in amateur boxing. As a result the rules in England remain tighter than in some other countries and particularly with regard to diabetics we still need the doctors associations who deal with diabetics to approve the rules we want to use.
At the moment the rules that were given to me by one consultant have been sent to 2 associations for their approval. Diabetes UK have tried to jump the gun and have said that they endorse these "rules" and expect the ABA to immediately allow diabetics to box. Unfortunately Diabetes UK also knows that BSPED have NOT yet approved the rules. I am awaiting the outcome of the BSPED council meeting (I believe it is due to be held in January) and if the rules are approved by BSPED then it should mean the diabetic children could then box provided they met every rule in the list. For the adult diabetics, we are also waiting for their doctors association (ABCD) to have the meeting and give approval. As we have a very good doctor member of Diabetes UK now working hard for this to happen it may be possible soon.
As I have said before, as soon as there are positive answers I will post them on this website as well as convene a Medical Commission meeting and put new rules to ABAE Council.
Until then there can be no change but Larks I know that there are many doctors trying to help and I am working with them to get this through as soon as possible |
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Bandanaman
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| 22 Dec 2006 11:06 AM |
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As I have stated before the ABAE is up against the BMA in all matters of medical care in amateur boxing.
Slightly off topic . We've known for a long time that the BMA has a bee in it's bonnet about boxing but with the uplift in more brutal pastimes such as Mixed Martial Arts and open combat, kickboxing etc., can you say whether they have included these in their net for attack, has this alleviated the pressure to banish amateur boxing as there are now bigger fish to fry or is this anti boxing stance more a figment of peoples imagination or a single paper thrown at the media to fill some column inches? |
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