JASPER
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| 20 Aug 2006 6:32 PM |
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| HAS THE ABAE MEDICAL CHAIRMAN FOLLOWED UP ON THE RECOMENDATIONS OF THE AIBA MEDICAL CONFERENCE (COPENHAGEN)TO ARRANGE DISCUSIONS WITH TOP DIABETICIANS SPORTS DOCTORS ETC, TO PAVE THE WAY FORWARD FOR DIABETICS TO COMPETE AS THEY DO IN OTHER COUTRIES AFFILIATED TO AIBA |
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Boxingmad
Light Flyweight
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| 21 Aug 2006 9:58 PM |
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AIBA we dont take on all the rules and thats not a bad thing.
A parent who want's their child to box who has DIABETES must be out of their mind. |
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JASPER
Flyweight
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| 21 Aug 2006 10:07 PM |
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| BOXINGMAD WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THE ARTICLE WAS INTENDED FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, MAY I SUGGEST YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE POSTING A COMMENT. |
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Boxingmad
Light Flyweight
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| 21 Aug 2006 10:31 PM |
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WHAT DO I NEED TO KNOW THEN JASPER
THAT A CHILD WILL NOT GO INTO A GO INTO A DIABETIC COMA.
STRESS AND WORRIE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FACTORS.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO TELL YOUR CHILD NOT TO WORRIE ABOUT THE FIGHT HE\SHE WILL BE FINE.
HOW LONG BEFORE THE BOUT WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR CHILD THE INSULIN INJECTION?
ONE OF THE BIGGEST WORRIES IS AN EYE INJURY ARE YOU GOING TO TELL YOUR CHILD THAT THERE IS NO DANGER ABOUT THE BLEED THAT COULD OCCAR BEHIND THE EYE.
THERE ARE MANY MORE REASONS WHY |
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Bandanaman
Flyweight
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| 22 Aug 2006 1:04 PM |
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You are jumping to conclusions Boxman.
There are different levels of Diabetes and only chronic cases have to inject. It's also a very weak argument when one suggests the risk of eye damage is any more of a deciding factor for Diabetics than for somebody of normal health!
There are many Diabetic sportsmen including 5 times Olympic Rowing Gold Medallist Sir Stephen Redgrave.
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JASPER
Flyweight
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| 22 Aug 2006 4:58 PM |
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| FIRST THINGS FIRST BOXINGMAD. I DONT RECALL MY INITIAL POSTING MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT PARENTS LETTING THEIR DIABETIC CHILDREN BOX. MAYBE WE KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER THAN THE FORUM MEMBERS REALISE. THE STATEMENT ABOUT WHICH AIBA RULES TO FOLLOW DOESNT WASH. WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO KNOW BOXINGMAD IS YOU DONT KNOW BETTER THAN THE DIABETES SPECIALISTS OF AIBA INCLUDING CANADA,AUSTRALIA,AMERICA ETC. AND YOUR CERTAINLY NOT IN TOUCH WITH EXCELLENTLY CONTROLLED DIABETICS AND THE BENEFITS SPORT BRINGS TO THEM. BOXING IS A PERSONAL CHOICE, YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO DISCRIMINATE WOULD YOU (BOXINGMAD)? |
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Boxingmad
Light Flyweight
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| 22 Aug 2006 6:35 PM |
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Firstly Jasper i have no axe to grind, this is my personal opinion. Secondly i dont know you, but you gave me the impression that your child is not allowed to box under ABA rules. The rules clearly state that insulin dependant Diabetics cannot box. In my experience if your child is under the age of 16 years old they are likely to be insulin dependant.
As you may be the parent of a diabetic you may realise the consequences of contact sport. As you mentioned about previouse sports people with Diabeties, Sir Steve Redgrave was not part of a contact sport like boxing.
Like i mentioed above this is just my personal opinion.
Depending upon the control of diabeties any sports can be dangerous. Poorly controled diabeties can cause Ketones which can put a patient who undertakes any type of exercise into ketoacidosis, this can be dangerous and put patients into comas if not treated right away.
Not just diabetics can get ketones, anyone undertaking exercise and not being hydrated properly can develop ketones but this is more dangerous in diabetics.
Eye probles are more common in diabetics and constant truma to an eye would increase the risks of losing sight both due to diabeties and boxing.
This is not just read out of a text book but from real life and personal experience of diabeties. If you wish your child to box this is your own choice. As my earlier post said, it is in my opinion that any parent who wishes there insulin dependant child to box must be out of there mind. |
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JASPER
Flyweight
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| 22 Aug 2006 10:34 PM |
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| BOXINGMAD - YOU ARE CLEARLY WELL VERSED IN THE ABA MEDICAL HANDBOOK AND YOUR INTERPRETATION OF POORLY CONTROLLED DIABETES IS VERY GOOD. BUT YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT - WELL CONTROLLED DIABETICS CAN COMPETE AT ANY SPORT CONTACT OR NOT WITHOUT JEPODISING THEIR HEALTH ANY MORE THAN A NONE DIABETIC. AS FAR AS INSULIN INJECTIONS ARE CONCERNED YOU MUST KNOW CARBS AND INSULIN ARE MEASURED METICULOUSLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT STRESS, EXCERCISE ETC. YOU MUST BE AWARE A WELL CONTROLLED DIABETIC WOULD PASS AN ABA BOXING MEDICAL AND THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY DIABETICS BOXING WITHIN THE ABA AT PRESENT. REGARDING THE KEYTONE SCARE AND THE EYE PROBLEMS AND THE FEET PROBLEMS AND THE NERVOUS SYSTEM PROBLEMS AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED WITH POOR CONTROLLED DIABETES. MAYBE YOU WOULD BE IN SUPPORT ALONGSIDE THE ABAE THAT DIABETICS SHOULD BE SEEN AND NOT HEARD. THIS IS NOT THE WAY FORWARD IN 21ST CENTURY. |
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Boxingmad
Light Flyweight
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| 22 Aug 2006 11:04 PM |
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Firstly Jasper none of the information above was out of an ABA medical handbook, if you would have read the post correctly it was from personal experience. For many years i have fought the corner for diabetics in sport but i draw the line at diabetics in boxing.
Any diabetic doctor will advise that it is not suitable for a diabetic to box. diabetics are more likely to have problems with there eyes, boxing and constant trauma to the eyes will increase the risk of blindness, also whether a diabetic is poorly controlled or not ketones can still be a risk. exercising without proper hydration for example long training sessions or boxing rounds may cause even a none diabetic to produce ketones.
I have participated at every level at the sport of amateur boxing so i know what i am talking about.
i have seen first hand of the problems that could occur in this great sport. i hope Jasper that its not your wish for your child to box, if thats the case. Because in this sport we have all heard about famous fathers.
Diabetes is a very complexed condition and not every diabetic is the same or managed the same diabetics should not be excluded from anythink but when it could produce problems later on, is it really worth it.
Remember Jasper
*** ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE ***
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Bandanaman
Flyweight
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| 23 Aug 2006 11:48 AM |
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should not be excluded from anythink but when it could produce problems later on, is it really worth it.
Again a big weakness in your argument Boxmad. Getting hit around the head COULD produce problems later on. END OF........?
You chose to ignore my comments earlier but Diabetes takes on many forms. There are thousands of Diabetics out there who don't even know they are such! If substantial expert opinion says that ALL Diabetics shouldn't box, then it follows that the same substantial expert opinion should be followed and that boxing should be banned!
I don't believe that and don't believe that every Diabetic should be labelled the same.
PS: MY brother is insulin dependent and my mother a very, very mild case so I have some understanding of this condition.
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JASPER
Flyweight
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| 23 Aug 2006 5:14 PM |
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BANDANAMAN - THANKS FOR THOSE SENSIBLE WORDS, BUT WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE ABAE WORDS, ADVICE FROM DIABETIC EXPERTS AROUND THE WORLD, EVEN GP SUPPORT IS NOT ENOUGH. IT MAKES ME THINK (AND THIS IS A WILD GUESS) THAT THE DIABETES BAN WAS INTRODUCED BY ONE OF TWO IF NOT BOTH MAIN STAYERS ON THE MEDICAL COMMISSION AND TO CHANGE NOW WOULD BE A CLIMB DOWN, (DOES EGO TRIP RING A BELL).
ANYWAY BACK TO THE DISCUSSION - BOXINGMAD - I HAVE A TABLE FULL OF EMAILS AT HOME FROM MY PREVIOUS ENCOUNTERS WITH THE ABAE THAT WOULD CHOKE A DONKEY. THE ISSUES YOU RAISE IN YOUR POSTINGS ARE IDENTICAL TO MY EMAILS WORD FOR WORD (ISNT THAT A COINCIDENCE). WHY DONT YOU CUT THE CHASE AND REMOVE THE MASK. THE POINT BEING IS IN MY FIRST POSTING IN THIS SERIES, HAVE YOU FOLLOWED UP WITH THE AIBA RECOMMENDATIONS (COPENHAGEN) OR NOT??
I AM AWARE YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEVERAL COMPUTERS AT YOUR DISPOSAL MAY I SUGGEST A CATCHY NAME FOR YOUR NEXT POSTING "TALLYHO BANDITS AT 5 0'CLOCK". |
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JASPER
Flyweight
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| 25 Aug 2006 7:39 PM |
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| COME ON ABAE GIVE US A BREAK !!!!! |
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larks
Light Flyweight
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| 27 Aug 2006 2:49 PM |
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| It is un excusable why diabetics are unable to box in this day and age. The abae should hang their head in shame, i am with you jasper. |
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jh
Light Flyweight
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| 27 Aug 2006 9:03 PM |
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| jasper i think you are being lead along too much by the club your boy is training with |
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Canvas Back
Light Flyweight
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| 31 Aug 2006 9:36 PM |
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| After reading the various comments about denying diabetics to box, I find it hard to believe. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't asthmatics allowed to box.If so whats the differance? I totally agree with Jasper. |
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JASPER
Flyweight
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| 03 Sep 2006 6:26 PM |
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 JH ITS NOT A CASE OF A CLUB LEADING ANYBODY ON ITS A CASE OF THE " WHOLE PLAN " INCLUSION!!! (NOW WHERE HAVE I SEEN THAT BEFORE )BUT IT LOOKS LIKE EXCLUSION TO ME, AND THAT LOOKS LIKE HALF A PLAN WHERE I`M STANDING. THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT CANVASBACK (CRACKING NAME).
THIS IS THE ABAE FORUM IS`NT IT,THERE SEEMS TO BE NOBODY HOME OR AM I ON TO THE WHEELTAPPERS N SHUNTERS FORUM. |
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alibumaye
Light Flyweight
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| 05 Sep 2006 5:57 AM |
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| aiba recommend it but the old farts who accidentally governed our sport instead of joining the british legion wont even read up on the matter until next year. |
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larks
Light Flyweight
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| 07 Sep 2006 2:52 PM |
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The abae will not listen to anybody except themselves on this issue. Then when they cannot handle the pressure they p*ss the buck........ This is an amature sport supossdley for anyone. What about the hundreds of children who are diabetic and get on with their daily lives and when they show an intrest in this sport just get the door slamed in their face........... the abae need to sort this issue out asap, other countries have so why not us  |
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alibumaye
Light Flyweight
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| 09 Sep 2006 7:28 AM |
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sammy
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| 09 Sep 2006 9:50 AM |
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Alibumaye i reported you to the police regarding you racial remarks and also other agencies, they say they can trace you through your I P NUMBER on your computer so i hope you are in when they call.
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